Weird Song Intros?

Hey Guys,

Do you know Phil Collins's "I cannot Believe Is True" ?
He plays a incredible intro !!!
I didn't know for longtime how the Guys could start the song together until that I saw a live with Chester giving a count...

Nice.

Hey cool topic.

Brad, are you talking about 'anacrusis' type beginnings like 'Keep It Dark' by Genesis (Abacab) where the guitar begins on an upbeat but sounds like a down beat?

The beginning of Jeff Beck's 'Led Boots' always kept me off guard.

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I used to know a bunch, but for some reason I'm having a bwain-fot ATM...

I know these aren't all strictly drum intros [some are gtr or keybd riffs which start on an 'odd' beat for the drums to come in with], or aren't necessarily NU-metal, punk, or rock, but here goes anyways...

Bear with me; these are from 'ancient memory,' so if any of you see any mistakes you can call me on 'em [img]wink.gif[/img] ...

Howzabout CWatts on the ["more!"-] cowbell & sn intro to the Stoned's Honky Tonk Woman. To a listener that could be a little weird sounding coming in.

Gino Vanelli Live Montreal '89/90 - Brother to Brother intro. Enzo began the tune w a tom fill starting on the 'ah' of 2...you would prob want to start this tune live w either a 2/4 or 4/8 ct, or a 6/4 ct [depending on how quick/good your bandmates are] [img]wink.gif[/img] ...

DLRoth [from VHalen]'s hit AOR rock tune "Going Crazy" started w a gtr riff that begins on the '+' of 1 in 8/8 [4/4].

The CCEB tune 'Charged Particles' off 'Beneath the Mask' has that keybd intro in 7/8 [a first or "pick-up" note of 1/8 followed by 9 cycles of the 7 to overlay the 4/4 time] to which Weck comes in after drum fills covering 8 bars of 4.

Rush's 'Between the Wheels' off 'Grace Under Pressure' has the keybd chords starting the tune on the the 2 & then 4 [or, not starting on the 1], so that NP's drums sound cool coming in...he's accenting the keybd [2 & 4's] with rock flams on his lo tom & HHs on the '1 +'...[unless you prefer to count this tune's intro off in cut time]...
...& how about Limelight's intro off Moving Pictures with gtr & drum kicks...

Zep's RnR [on the live album] starts on the '&' of 3. [Even GB's notation in his clinic handout was a little too complicated...this explan. is MUCH easier to understand]. [img]wink.gif[/img]

Ditto on Yes's 'Changes' intro: it is indeed drums in a subdivided 17/8 over Rabin's 4/4 gtr rhythm pattern...VERY hip. FANTASTIC album, as are BG & Union...& i'll throw in TALK for good measure. If you don't have Talk & you're def a "nu-Yes" fan, you need to check it, esp the "Talk" end suite. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

I indeed love Howe [aft all, he's a founding & staple member!], but i really dug the works w Trevor AW. [img]cool.gif[/img]

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Loud Love by Soundgarden, I think that's the tune, from Louder than Love.

Porcupine Tree has to have something like this...Dream Theatre?

Meshuggah? Disturbed? Where Eagles Dare by Iron Maiden. How about Alice in Chains...there's one song I'm thinking of that has a drum opening, more of an acoustic song.

GH plays a real out fill on Dodgy Boat from Wardenclyffe Tower.

To Steve's point about 90125, I always found it funny that back in the early '80s, when everyone was raving about Weckl's "playing backwards" (beat displacement), it was there all along in Alan White's playing on "Hold On", off 90125. The middle section, he displaces the beat, and I always thought that was so cool. When I found out what Weckl was talking about, it was like "Oh! You mean the thing Alan White did on Hold On?".

Also, what about Alan's blazing singles on "Cinema"? That tune still sends shivers down my spine, between Alan, and Squire's, phase-shifted bass playing....

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Originally posted by BennyAndTheSkins:
To Steve's point about 90125, I always found it funny that back in the early '80s, when everyone was raving about Weckl's "playing backwards" (beat displacement), it was there all along in Alan White's playing on "Hold On", off 90125. The middle section, he displaces the beat, and I always thought that was so cool. When I found out what Weckl was talking about, it was like "Oh! You mean the thing Alan White did on Hold On?".

Also, what about Alan's blazing singles on "Cinema"? That tune still sends shivers down my spine, between Alan, and Squire's, phase-shifted bass playing....

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah Man, this album is really a must have !!!
What about "Our Song" ?

Alan White is really a great musician, one of my favorites.
I was really glad to met him at the Namm 2004.

Yeah, Going for the One is another wierd intro. I think it's in five.

And where's the Bruford???

What about the Tune Bruford wrote for the Burning For Buddy album? That was pretty wild..

Everything In Its Right Place By Radiohead is pretty hard to decifer, and it doesn't help that it's in 10/4 (at least, that's how i hear it).

King Twang by Vital Tech Tones is pretty weird too - it starts with what you think are 8 16th notes, but in fact it starts on the second triplet 16th note of the "and" of 3 of the previous bar (what???), and then the guitar and bass play what i reckon is a shuffle, except Steve Smith plays triplet quarters over it and that makes you think that what he plays is the pulse. And to top it off, the last of the phrase is actually 13/8 rather than 12/8, so the whole thing is then pushed forward by one triplet. ARGH!

Yeah, Yes 90125 Hold On has the cool rock 4's layered over the 6's! DITTO on Our Song & Cinema! That whole album shook the rockin' haus. [img]cool.gif[/img]

"Meshuggah?" - yes; the tune Future Breed Machine has a cool-trippy dr intro. Don't know the disc name, you'll have to google ;op...

How about writing out Rush's Spirit of Radio intro off Permanent Waves, w the bass & drums hits/licks over the 16th-note gtr arpeggio/rhythm-lope...

I believe GH's intro fill on Dodgy is 2 bars of 4/4 [I'm not counting in cut-time like i sometimes do to make it sound a little easier count of the band]: starting on the 1, w the [3 rack-] toms on the +'s of both the 4 awa 1, and then again on the 3...he'll correct me if i'm wrong! That's the way i count it anyway! ;op

I also always liked Chad's little pick-up fill intro on the 1st track off AH's/Wardenc T, "5 to 10"...16th note fill starting on the either the + [or ah] of 3 - i haven't decided which sounds best yet! If on the [3-] + as it sounds, it occupies 2 16th triplets, w an 8th rest [2 16ths] occupying the + and ah of 4...or if you would prefer starting it on the ah of 3, which would be tom on the ah, sn's on the 4 e, tom on the + of 4, 16th rest on the [4-] ah. What would you do Brad ;o] [if you have this disc]?

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